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		<title>Comment on Five good reasons to have a test strategy by Tony Simms</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tony Simms</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Oct 2011 05:52:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You are of couse right. &#039;Why&#039; should have headed the list.Thanks for pointing that out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are of couse right. &#8216;Why&#8217; should have headed the list.Thanks for pointing that out.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Five good reasons to have a test strategy by jay</title>
		<link>http://www.roque.co.uk/2011/10/ten-good-reasons-to-have-a-test-strategy/#comment-96</link>
		<dc:creator>jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Oct 2011 23:46:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You say that &quot; Documenting a test strategy gives you time to think about what exactly the testing has to achieve, what and who is required to achieve it, how long it might take and what stages you will have to go through. &quot;

Foremost is &quot; why&quot; component before the &quot; what&quot; component. The test strategy should not only state what it is going to achieve but also why it is going to achieve it. This way other stakeholders have a buy in.

A &quot; Strategy document&quot; is at a higher level of the management with a dashboard full of metrics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You say that &#8221; Documenting a test strategy gives you time to think about what exactly the testing has to achieve, what and who is required to achieve it, how long it might take and what stages you will have to go through. &#8221;</p>
<p>Foremost is &#8221; why&#8221; component before the &#8221; what&#8221; component. The test strategy should not only state what it is going to achieve but also why it is going to achieve it. This way other stakeholders have a buy in.</p>
<p>A &#8221; Strategy document&#8221; is at a higher level of the management with a dashboard full of metrics.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Five good reasons to have a test strategy by Michael Bolton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Bolton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Oct 2011 21:13:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, Tony...

I have one question and one challenge.

The question is &quot;Are you eliding the difference between a test strategy and a test strategy &lt;i&gt;document&lt;/i&gt;?&quot;

You might indeed have five good reasons to have a documented test strategy. The challenge is this: go through each one of those reasons, and add &quot;unless...&quot; to it, and see where that takes you.  For extra points, do that three times for each reason.  The difference between the unqualified and the qualified reasons is the difference between best-practice thinking and context-driven thinking.  The former makes no particular distinctions between good (or useful, or timely, or cost-effective) test strategy documents and bad (or useless, or archaic, or overly expensive) ones.  The latter helps to determine the conditions under which you might wish to document your test strategy, the different ways in which you might choose to do it, the amount of time you spend on it, the amount of effort you spend on it, the different audiences for which you might want to produce it, etc. etc.

Cheers,

---Michael B.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, Tony&#8230;</p>
<p>I have one question and one challenge.</p>
<p>The question is &#8220;Are you eliding the difference between a test strategy and a test strategy <i>document</i>?&#8221;</p>
<p>You might indeed have five good reasons to have a documented test strategy. The challenge is this: go through each one of those reasons, and add &#8220;unless&#8230;&#8221; to it, and see where that takes you.  For extra points, do that three times for each reason.  The difference between the unqualified and the qualified reasons is the difference between best-practice thinking and context-driven thinking.  The former makes no particular distinctions between good (or useful, or timely, or cost-effective) test strategy documents and bad (or useless, or archaic, or overly expensive) ones.  The latter helps to determine the conditions under which you might wish to document your test strategy, the different ways in which you might choose to do it, the amount of time you spend on it, the amount of effort you spend on it, the different audiences for which you might want to produce it, etc. etc.</p>
<p>Cheers,</p>
<p>&#8212;Michael B.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Five good reasons to have a test strategy by S Kanhai</title>
		<link>http://www.roque.co.uk/2011/10/ten-good-reasons-to-have-a-test-strategy/#comment-94</link>
		<dc:creator>S Kanhai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Oct 2011 20:05:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi,
apart from testing depth, strategy coverage a testplan also covers possible risks. Having an insight in that is just as important. 
It will ad to the importance of testing and aid in making decisions when to stop testing which defects are acceptable for now and which are not.
Reg.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,<br />
apart from testing depth, strategy coverage a testplan also covers possible risks. Having an insight in that is just as important.<br />
It will ad to the importance of testing and aid in making decisions when to stop testing which defects are acceptable for now and which are not.<br />
Reg.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Five good reasons to have a test strategy by Greg Zimmerman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Greg Zimmerman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Oct 2011 19:48:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>6. Having a documented test strategy allows you to repeat, restate, or commit to paper for the first time the quality goals of the project and quality attributes you consider to be most important in verifying the proposed change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>6. Having a documented test strategy allows you to repeat, restate, or commit to paper for the first time the quality goals of the project and quality attributes you consider to be most important in verifying the proposed change.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Five good reasons to have a test strategy by Will</title>
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		<dc:creator>Will</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Oct 2011 19:43:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>good points you might want to consider joining in on a discussion exactly having to do with some of your points.

http://www.linkedin.com/groupAnswers?viewQuestionAndAnswers=&amp;discussionID=69657630&amp;gid=55636&amp;commentID=56040215&amp;trk=view_disc&amp;ut=3RmdisliCuBkY1


regards,


Will</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>good points you might want to consider joining in on a discussion exactly having to do with some of your points.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.linkedin.com/groupAnswers?viewQuestionAndAnswers=&#038;discussionID=69657630&#038;gid=55636&#038;commentID=56040215&#038;trk=view_disc&#038;ut=3RmdisliCuBkY1" rel="nofollow">http://www.linkedin.com/groupAnswers?viewQuestionAndAnswers=&#038;discussionID=69657630&#038;gid=55636&#038;commentID=56040215&#038;trk=view_disc&#038;ut=3RmdisliCuBkY1</a></p>
<p>regards,</p>
<p>Will</p>
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		<title>Comment on Eat your greens, or there’s no pudding by Manuel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Manuel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Aug 2011 13:18:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another good practice would be to eliminate irrelevant steps in the test execution before writing the bug report. If the tester can reproduce the error by executing less steps then he should provide this shorter path to the error. Developers can reproduce the bug faster and not waste time investigating parts of the test case which don&#039;t actually influence the appearance of the error.

I saw recently some test tool for Erlang I believe that takes an automated test and does exactly this, re-runs the test several times till finding the minimal set of steps that reproduces the error.

So while this approach is more effective for automated testing, it should also be a part of a tester&#039;s checklist when following manual test cases or exploratory testing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another good practice would be to eliminate irrelevant steps in the test execution before writing the bug report. If the tester can reproduce the error by executing less steps then he should provide this shorter path to the error. Developers can reproduce the bug faster and not waste time investigating parts of the test case which don&#8217;t actually influence the appearance of the error.</p>
<p>I saw recently some test tool for Erlang I believe that takes an automated test and does exactly this, re-runs the test several times till finding the minimal set of steps that reproduces the error.</p>
<p>So while this approach is more effective for automated testing, it should also be a part of a tester&#8217;s checklist when following manual test cases or exploratory testing.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Eat your greens, or there’s no pudding by Tapan</title>
		<link>http://www.roque.co.uk/2011/08/eat-your-greens-or-there%e2%80%99s-no-pudding/#comment-89</link>
		<dc:creator>Tapan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Aug 2011 09:46:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What do you think about perception?

After spending around 8 years in testing I found that each tester has its own perception about testing or I would say each tester has different perception about requirements, about test scenarios, test scripts, writing defects, defending their defects and even they carry some kind of perception about developers as well.

Most of people are running towards Quantity instead of Quality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What do you think about perception?</p>
<p>After spending around 8 years in testing I found that each tester has its own perception about testing or I would say each tester has different perception about requirements, about test scenarios, test scripts, writing defects, defending their defects and even they carry some kind of perception about developers as well.</p>
<p>Most of people are running towards Quantity instead of Quality.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Eat your greens, or there’s no pudding by Tony Simms</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tony Simms</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Aug 2011 20:28:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many thanks for the encouragement</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many thanks for the encouragement</p>
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		<title>Comment on Eat your greens, or there’s no pudding by Dawn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dawn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Aug 2011 20:17:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I always try to approach testing from the view point of the final end user.  When I test I want to ensure that they will have a plesent experience using the software/hardware and will want to do so again.  The testing that I perform, whether that be scripted or more exploratory, is always trying to accomplish that goal.  To do that, however, you need to know the project well and know who your stakeholders are.  Those are things that are not possible for a tester who is just going through the motions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I always try to approach testing from the view point of the final end user.  When I test I want to ensure that they will have a plesent experience using the software/hardware and will want to do so again.  The testing that I perform, whether that be scripted or more exploratory, is always trying to accomplish that goal.  To do that, however, you need to know the project well and know who your stakeholders are.  Those are things that are not possible for a tester who is just going through the motions.</p>
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